Serenitynow, I love Bon Jovi's song too!
I'm old enough to know who the "Frankie" is, too:
Nathan Natas
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We're All Gonna Die Someday
by undercover inhave you ever read a phrase or heard a song lyric and it takes you back to how you used to think as a jw?.
remember how we delusionally thought that we were in this select group of people to never see death?.
not only gullible but stupid.... anyhoo... i heard this song on a roots country station just a few mintues ago.
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We're All Gonna Die Someday
by undercover inhave you ever read a phrase or heard a song lyric and it takes you back to how you used to think as a jw?.
remember how we delusionally thought that we were in this select group of people to never see death?.
not only gullible but stupid.... anyhoo... i heard this song on a roots country station just a few mintues ago.
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Nathan Natas
IQ complained, "I think mother-in-laws are an exception to the rule."
"if it bleeds, we can kill it." - Arnold Schwarzenegger in PREDATOR
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Can someone make the new light bright for me please ?
by wasblind inhey, where is new light at in the bible or did i miss somethin'.
all the scriptures i read seems it refers to an enlightening.
or refer to god as light, it doesn't refer to god as new or changing.
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Nathan Natas
The Truth™ is so bright you gotta wear shades.
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Will the Church of Rome join with the Church of Brooklyn against this threat?
by Nathan Natas inone of the pope's senior advisers pulled out of the visit to britain in controversial circumstances over a german magazine interview in which he described the uk as a third world country marked by "aggressive atheism".. .
see article at: http://www.news.com.au/world/uk-a-third-world-country-says-papal-aide-cardinal-walter-kasper/story-e6frfkyi-1225924547544.
compare with recent watchtower pronouncements against this same threat to irrationality.. how is it that the people who do not believe in an invisible man in the sky are third worlders?
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Nathan Natas
ONE of the Pope's senior advisers pulled out of the visit to Britain in controversial circumstances over a German magazine interview in which he described the UK as a Third World country marked by "aggressive atheism".
see article at: http://www.news.com.au/world/uk-a-third-world-country-says-papal-aide-cardinal-walter-kasper/story-e6frfkyi-1225924547544Compare with recent WATCHTOWER pronouncements against this same threat to irrationality.
How is it that the people who do NOT believe in an invisible man in the sky are third worlders? I thought third worlders were those marked by ignorance and superstition, which both the RCC and the WTB&TS have in abundance.
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Lawsuit of the Day: Space Alien Followers v. Pope Benedict
by Nathan Natas insee: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/09/pope-benedict-raelian-pedophie-lawsuit/.
13 sep 2010 at 3:30 pm.
lawsuit of the day: space alien followers v. pope benedict (no, seriously) .
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Nathan Natas
see: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/09/pope-benedict-raelian-pedophie-lawsuit/
13 Sep 2010 at 3:30 PM
Lawsuit of the Day: Space Alien Followers v. Pope Benedict (No, Seriously)
By Elie Mystal
A prophet, who now goes by the name "Rael," once encountered space aliens who told him the secret of life. Later, his followers, "the Raelians," set up an advocacy group to expose pedophilia in the Roman Catholic Church. But the group's work was frustrated when Pope Benedict XVI (a.k.a. Joe Ratzinger) covered up the crimes of Catholic priests, in an effort to discredit the Raelians and suppress their message.
If I were writing fiction, this would be about the point where Tom Hanks holds a black light up to a window in Washington National Cathedral to reveal the precise location of Area 51. But before he can tell anybody, Al Pacino (heretofore unobtrusively sitting in a pew, drinking a glass of orange juice) makes Hanks an offer he can't refuse.
But this isn't fiction; this is the real world. In the real world, there is only one way to handle this kind of massive conspiracy, cover-up, and intrigue: a lawsuit.
And so it is that today, on the thirteenth of September in the year of our Lord two thousand ten, that Pope Benedict XVI finds himself sued in the High Court of Justice: Queen's Bench Division, for tortious interference with business...
We've obtained a copy of the lawsuit filed by the European Raelian Movement against Pope Benedict. Their press release pretty nicely sums up what's going on here:
The European Raelian Movement (ERM) has filed a lawsuit in the High Court, Queen's Bench Division, against Pope Benedict XVI, formerly Cardinal Ratzinger. Allegations in the suit include charges of violating international human rights laws, perpetrating genocide by continuing to claim that condoms don't stop the spread of AIDS, and stating that Pope Benedict and the Vatican orchestrated a campaign of disinformation against the business of the ERM after its membership reported on these matters.
The ERM says it can prove its allegations.
Anybody in the mood for some allegations? From the lawsuit:6. In 2001, the Raelian Movement established the advocacy group NOPEDO to unmask and expose the fostering and cover up of pedophilia among the clergy of the Roman Catholic Church.
7. On September 2002, the Raelian Movement publicly filed and Urgent Appeal with Mr. Juan Miguel Petit, the Special Rapporteur on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child, Pornography at the Office Of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, United Nations at Geneva detailing child trafficking, procurement, and sexual abuse by agents of the Roman Catholic Church that violated Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Optional Protocol on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child Pornography....
13. In 2001, defendant as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the "Holy Office," formerly known as the "Office of the Inquisition" issued a letter to all bishops of the Catholic Church concerning some "very grave sins" and the secret manner in which they were to be covered up....
15. In 2001, the activities of NOPEDO came to the attention of the defendant who instructed his agents in Belgium and Switzerland to commence a libel action against NOPEDO and the Raelian Movement which resulted in an order by the Belgian courts based upon knowingly false assertions made by defendant that his organization did not promote or cover up pedophilia and an unsuccessful attempt by the defendant's agents in Switzerland to misuse the court system in the same fashion.
15. [sic] The defendant by 2002 also became aware of the Raelian Movement's stances on condoms and stem cell research and ordered his agents in Quebec and worldwide to commence a campaign of deliberate disinformation against claimant branding claimant as a dangerous cult.
So, just who are the Raelians? I'm so glad you asked. From "The Message" section on the Raelians' homepage:For centuries, scholars have been debating the two main possibilities for the origin and meaning of life. Some aspire to a higher philosophical dimension, which they can't find in the theory of evolution, while others dismiss as irrational any reference to an almighty god.
But what if another theory, one both rational and with philosophical depth, were to be available?
This is what the "Message" proposes: Thousands of years ago, scientists from another planet came to Earth and created all forms of life, including human beings, whom they created in their own image. References to these scientists and their work can be found in the ancient texts of many cultures. Due to their highly advanced technology, they were considered as gods by our primitive ancestors and often referred to as ‘Elohim' which in ancient Hebrew meant ‘Those who came from the sky'.
In case you were wondering, yes, there was in fact a very good Star Trek (old generation) episode which explored this very concept. And there is something Kirk-like about the Raelian "prophet," Claude Vorilhon. He was a race car driver before the space alien scientists chose him to spread their message.We could go on and on about the Raelians (though I fear that if I do any more Raelian research, I'll end up buying books, or drinking some bad Kool-Aid). Absent magical underwear, this movement seems like it's in danger of second-class status.
But there is "law" at issue here, isn't there? Here's how it's put in the complaint:
16. As a result of defendant's ongoing affirmative campaign of disinformation against the Raelian Movement and its members have suffered persecution and damage to their reputations and interference in their lives and business affairs including direct damages.
17. Punitive damages are warranted due to the oppressive conduct of the defendant as part of the cover up of pedophilia within the Catholic Church and is calculated to profit the defendant by minimizing abuse claims by attacking the reputation of victim advocates and mitigating the defendant's losses at the expense of victims of pedophilia by Catholic priests.
I talked with Dr. Jonathan Levy. He's the solicitor at Brimstone & Co. who is representing the European Raelian Movement in this matter. I asked him if there were any substantive difference between the American version of tortious interference with business and the British flavor (or British flavour, if you must). Here's what he told me:Tortious interference is roughly the same although it overlaps with defamation. The High Court Master reviewed the filing before permitting it to be issued and did want more particulars in an amended version.
The defamation aspect is interesting. Not "make a British court find against the Pope in favor of an atheist cult" interesting, but it's a nice little wrinkle.Ricky Roehr, U.S. Raelian spokesperson, put the capstone on today's events:
Roehr said the Vatican enjoys observer status in the United Nations because it is wrongly recognized as a state, and that this status has been protecting the pope and Vatican officials in most countries under diplomatic immunity agreements. But U.K. laws provide a way around this, he said.
"These people claim to be representatives of a God of love but cover up pedophilia crimes?" Roehr asked. "They spread false propaganda about those who speak the truth about their crimes and they also cause millions to suffer by telling Catholics in Third World countries who know little of science that condoms don't stop the spread of AIDS. Where is their love? What is that God?"
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We're All Gonna Die Someday
by undercover inhave you ever read a phrase or heard a song lyric and it takes you back to how you used to think as a jw?.
remember how we delusionally thought that we were in this select group of people to never see death?.
not only gullible but stupid.... anyhoo... i heard this song on a roots country station just a few mintues ago.
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Nathan Natas
It's My Life
by Bon JoviThis ain't a song for the brokenhearted
No silent prayer for the faith departed
And I ain't gonna be just a face in the crowd
You're gonna hear my voice when I shout it out loudIt's my life
It's now or never
I ain't gonna live forever
I just wanna live while I'm alive(It's my life)
My heart is like an open highway
Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"
I just wanna live while I'm alive
'Cause it's my lifeThis is for the ones who stood their ground
For Tommy and Gina who never backed down
Tomorrow's getting harder, make no mistake
Luck ain't even lucky, gotta make your own breaksIt's my life
And it's now or never
I ain't gonna live forever
I just wanna live while I'm alive(It's my life)
My heart is like an open highway
Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"
I just wanna live while I'm alive
'Cause it's my lifeYou better stand tall
When they're calling you out
Don't bend, don't break
Baby, don't back downIt's my life
It's now or never
'Cause I ain't gonna live forever
I just wanna live while I'm alive(It's my life)
My heart is like an open highway
Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"
I just wanna live while I'm alive(It's my life)
And it's now or never
I ain't gonna live forever
I just wanna live while I'm alive(It's my life)
My heart is like an open highway
Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"
I just wanna live while I'm alive
'Cause it's my life! -
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Thousands of people have come and gone from this site....is this part of the healing process???
by Witness 007 ini see alot of new names here lately and if you look at the log on names here there are thousands who have moved on....every 2 years the posters change.....some vent and leave, others stay on for years.
i guess moving on with your life is a good thing, i think this site helps...any thoughts?.
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Nathan Natas
Sadly, some of the earlier members of this discussion board are no longer among the living, and others suffer the slings and arrows of age.
Some have made a decision to "move on," and I respect their decision.
The new ones offer us an opportunity for new friends.
[Selah]
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Why does the Elder I work with have a Gambling internet account on our work Computer???
by Witness 007 inyes an elder who i work with and takes the theocratic school every week has an internet gambling account????
i was snooping thru his personal computer file and found it {i'm bad}....afew weeks later after he told me he was an elder it dissapeared.
he started working with us without ever saying he was a witness...this went on for months before a sister from another department said "hey _____ is an elder did ya know?
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Nathan Natas
As you know, Jehovah loves the little birds of the field and takes notice when any one of them falls.
Unfortunately, there are so many birds that Jehovah has had to rely on some of his "bright shining ones" to keep an eye on the horsies.
You may find that some elders are assigned to oversee the community of amateur and professional porn stars, prayerfully anticipating their redemption.
Never question the elders; their ways are higher than your ways.
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Why Did God Commission Russell to Preach to People Who Would All Die Before Armageddon?
by neverendingjourney ini've posted this thought before, but i've yet to get a lot of feedback.
it's also not a point i see brought up very much on jwd, but it seems like a very simple, logical way of disproving witness doctrine/eschatology.. witnesses believe that the parable of the wheat and the weeds is having its fulfillment in our time.
that's to say that jehovah began to gather his people in these last days so that those rightly-disposed can survive armageddon.
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Nathan Natas
My understanding of this come from "A PEOPLE FOR HIS NAME" by Tony Wills.
CTR wasn't preaching to the soon-to-be-dead. He felt his mission was to gather together the Bride of Christ who were scattered throughout the churches of Christendom.
"A PEOPLE FOR HIS NAME" is one of the best histories of the WTB&TS you can get, which is why it isn't a Watchtower publication. You can get a copy from FREEMINDS or from LULU.com.
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"are you a jehovah?"
by sweet ini love it when i hear people ask jws "are you a jehovah?
" i silently laugh and say to myself "nope, they are not god.
they are as human as you and i are.
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Nathan Natas
I'm a "No way Yah Way" myself.